From “The Decision”
I mention bladder spasms above because of something that happened to me and because of experience with my patients whose prostate I have removed. The bladder is in essence a very large and strong muscle. Any manipulation of the bladder, including removing the prostate and then placing a catheter, can cause bladder spasms. A catheter is necessary after removing the prostate because you have separated the bladder from the urethra by removing the prostate, and the catheter allows for the drainage of urine while the new connection between the bladder and the urethra heals. This usually takes 7- 10 days, which is why you have the catheter in the length of time you do after surgery.( Please see the previous diagram of the prostate removed.) I have had several patients, one of whom was a friend of mine, tell me that the most painful part of the whole surgical experience was wearing the catheter and bladder spasms. This particular patient mentioned this fact to me at the time of his hospitalization and then asked me why I had not told him about it ahead of time. I told him it did not happen often, and, if it did, we had medicines, B and O suppositories in particular, to handle it. I remember listening to him discuss this issue, but I don’t remember it making an impression on me to the extent that I began warning patients about it or taking other precautions to keep it from happening. A bladder spasm is very painful. If you have ever seen a professional football player collapse on the field because of a muscle spasm in his thigh, you then have noticed how they grimace in pain and have to leave the game. A bladder spasm is very similar to this, a very painful contraction of the bladder muscle that causes excruciating pain at the bottom of your abdomen. When I woke up in the recovery room after my prostate was removed, I experienced a bladder spasm first-hand, and it was the most horrible pain of my life. I am a wimp when it comes to pain related to dental work, but otherwise I am pretty good with pain. I have had three significant knee injuries with sports and subsequent surgery for each, so I know pain. Instead of waking up peacefully, feeling happy that my surgery was over and I was safe, I was in intense pain. I found myself having an ongoing dialogue with the recovery room nurse, who I believe was trying very hard to help me, about how badly I was hurting and the need for more pain medicine. She said, “You’ve already had 100 mg of Demerol.” “Yes ma’am, but I am still hurting. May I have some more or something else? I may need a B and O suppository or maybe a couple of Levsin S.L.s, do ya’ll have those?” After she put in the suppository to no benefit, she then brought me two sublingual Levsin S.L.s. The Levsin S.L. should dissolve immediately under your tongue and give almost immediate relief, but mine just sat under my tongue like little bricks and got stuck there, negating any benefit they might have had. I ended up having to chew them up into big chunks and then swallow them whole, just to get them out of my mouth. I continued hurting the entire time I was in the recovery room, and finally I told the nurse that the “100 mg” of Demerol she mentioned was “just a number” and that I needed more. I am sure that this remark came across as condescending, and she was probably thinking that I was just another one of those wimpy doctors who “can dish it out, but can’t take it,” and make bad patients; I may have been. After about 45 minutes of me hurting and asking for more pain medicine, in walked my doctor. “John, are you hurting?” “Yes, I think I am having a bladder spasm that will not break, and it is killing me. Is there something else you can do?” “What would you recommend, John?” Between groans I told him, “Well they’ve tried Demerol, Levsin S.L., and a B and O suppository, but nothing has touched this pain. How about giving me some morphine?” My surgeon looked at me somewhat puzzled as I writhed around clutching my lower abdomen and said, “Morphine, John? For a bladder spasm?” “I don’t care what you give me, I‘d like this pain to go away, please.” He said he’d order more pain medicine for me, and as he was leaving he said with a smile, “John, I had a good day.”(This is exactly what I wanted to hear.) I said, “Thank you for what you have done for me.” He ordered additional medication and the pain gradually went away about an hour after I returned to my room. My surgeon may not have appreciated the degree of pain I was experiencing. Despite my patients telling me for years how painful bladder spasms were, I did not fully “feel it” until I had one. My wife said she was fine throughout the whole process of my cancer journey until she saw me on the stretcher upon returning to the room, moaning with this bladder spasm. She said she had never seen me in that much pain. After the pain went away in the room, it never returned. Later my wife asked me if I thought I would be a better, more caring doctor now that I had been though this surgery and in particular this bladder spasm ordeal. I told her that as a rule I was fairly sensitive to patients’ needs already and that my experience probably would not make much difference. About two weeks later and now sporting a condom catheter with a leg bag on underneath my scrubs, I am checking on a patient in the recovery room whose prostate I have just removed. I am wearing a condom catheter because the amount of urine I was leaking filled a diaper in less than an hour, and a prostatectomy usually lasts two. As irony would have it, the patient is having a bladder spasm, and as I arrive he is clutching his lower abdomen and pleading with the nurse to give him medicine for the pain. “He has had 100 mg of Demerol,” the nurse says as I approach. He tells me this while indicating by his facial expression that he thinks the patient either has a low pain tolerance or is just pretending to be in pain to get more pain medicine. I saw myself lying there. “I am not as interested in the number of milligrams of medicine he has had; that is just a number. I am more interested in the relief of his pain; please give him more until his pain is gone.” I stayed in the recovery room, and he got more medicine until he was comfortable. The point of the above story is two-fold. For one, I am a more sensitive doctor having had this surgery and all the things that went with it, from being told the biopsy had cancer to dealing with the surgical aftermath. More importantly for this section of the book, I am making a point about luck. Don’t forget the role the luck factor plays in how well a decision pans out. There is no way to predict if a surgical patient will have bladder spasms or, for that matter, any other potential complication. I was unlucky in that regard and for no reason. A well thought-out decision, qualified doctors, and a little luck are what I am hoping for for you. At every step of your treatment, no matter what you decide to do, there is an opportunity for your situation to go well or not. There are issues about your anatomy, your cancer, your doctors, and how your body responds to treatment that cannot be predicted. You need to know this and be aware and prepared for the possibility of things not going precisely as planned.









Hey Doc – Thanks for sharing your experience – it helped me understand my own. – Jim
You are kind. I wish you the best and I am glad the site has been of help to you. jm
HI. Thanks for having this site.
I just had RP by Divinci last monday, today is friday. 51 Y/O, was told would be overnight, eneded up being 3 nights.. fever & high HR gave them concern, had x-rays, tests, but we never figured out what was the cause.
Now, I am home, perks help with the pain.. but the entry points are indeed painfull still,, and I feel (and look) bloated, adding 10 pounds while I was in the hospital eating lightly.. they tell me its natural, that it is air and water.. that it will go away over a few weeks, the excess weight with it.
My question,, I had a nasty sore throat last night and trouble swallowing,, it is better now, but just ate a salad and it actually burned my tongue. Dont know why I should still be in pain? Whi the throat and tongue issues. Also, should I be exercises for the muscle while I have the catheter in? Should I drink alot of fluids? Thanks in advance.. this is my life, so I appreciate it.
sore throat probably related to having been intubated…the tube goes into the trachea…
bloating is probably air and water…
would wait on the kegel’s… i had a prostatectomy and never did them… i’m not sure they even work… they don’t hurt however…
drink to thirst…
i remember telling a friend after he asked me if it were true that the “robot” didn’t hurt. i said, ” imagine being mugged in an alley way and you were stabbed seven times in your abdomen. how would that feel?”
good luck to you… i have to be careful about advice… i would discuss any concerns with your doctor…. i apprec your remarks. jm
This is a great story for me as I once had Prostisitis and the pain was the same .Just horrible . I just had Robotic Prostate removal 4 days ago and all went very well . Out of hospital in 16 hr after recovery .Third day while having 1st bouwl movement the pain started and wow a surprise and concern . So thank you Dr for making this story available .
Doc: thx so much for your sympathetic comments. I had a prostate biopsy today and have had several spasms, probably bladder. It is excrusiatingly painful and although I must urinate to flush out the blood, I dread it. I will soak in the tub of warm water if this continues as per my uruologist and take a Vicodin if it gets worse. The pain is enough to make me shaky and weak, feeling like I am going to black out. But the fact that I am passing urine, however slowly shows no blockage. I am can certainly relate to this terrible pain.
Doctor, thank you very much for sharing your own experience. I had a da vinci prostatectomy on April 4, had the catheter removed April 11 and was fine until the evening of April 14 when the spasms first started. By early morning April 15 I was in the emergency room begging for help with something I didn’t understand. I ended up being recatheterized by the ER team, since no pain medication they provided cut the pain at all. The second catheter was removed April 21 and I experienced two mild but very real spasms this past overnight. (It is now the morning of April 23.) Your summary and others i have read this morning let me know I’m not unique and there are solutions to seek other than yet another catheter.
I appreciate you sharing your experience but I would like to enlighten you on how bad it can get. In 2006 I had a TUMT done, which has left me with chronic bladder spasms. About every 4 to 8 weeks I have an episode similar to yours just out of the blue. This has been going on for 5 years. As an airline pilot I have not returned to work for more than 6 weeks at a time. I’m on all the usual meds….Vesicare, Diazapam, Ibuprofen and in extreme flare ups opium supositories. If you would have any suggestions I’d love to hear them…..
Fred
Wisconsin
i just had surgery on my left ureter for a UPJ obstruction laproscopy and they sent me home the next day (4 days ago) i started getting bladder spasms right after i voided my bladder the doctors at the ER would not give me pain medication and told me to breathe through a pain more intense than anything i had every felt before. it took from eight in the morning till after 4 for them to do ex-rays from the kidney stone they thought i had that i told them i didn’t and then drink contrast for a CT scan to see if my surgeon perforated an organ, and during that span of time they offered me Diloted twice but never at the time i was having the spasm and toradol right when i arrived that i never even felt make a bit of difference. this is a about the forth time in history i’ve had doctors judge me thinking i’m a junkie just for looking at me or simply reveling in the depravity without any sort of human compassion. the only way to describe the pain of the spasm is to say that some one slashes upen your belly sticks a couple of hook into ur organs and then starts pulling as hard as humanly possible, if someone were to have offered me a knife and that point to jam into my neck and end my life and all future events of my life devoid of that pain, or to suffer through it i’m pretty sure i would not have hesitated to take the knife. my father prayed over me as i screamed, going through this after every urination, and the only course left (as the ER refused to contact my surgeon until they had “more to go on” from their tests) and perhaps something that should have been done earlier, was to have my parents call everyone and tell them to pray and add them on all their individual prayer chains for their churches, it wasn’t until that moment that my urologists came in and comforted me, gave my anti spasm medication and got me a room upstairs with the most lovely nurses i have every met (or so it seemed after having the worst, in truth the upstairs ladies showed infinite more compassion, bedside manner, and down right humanity) also it wasn’t until Christ answered those prayers that He gave me wisdom to try to walk before i urinated, and to interrupt my flow when i could feel my bladder start cramping up and pain pulling on my kidney and with the combination of that and the oxybutynin and phenazopyridine did the spasms stopped. it has been 3 days without spasm and i am at home and still terrified they may return, that is a pain i can not endure, i am too frail. the upside is that i now know like i never had in my life, in only a way that 11 level pain on the 10 scale could show me is how utterly helpless i am and none of my pride and arrogance cant afford for me one once of self-sufficiency, Jesus the Christ is my sustainer, i can;t even breathe without Him and neither can i live a moment of my life without my organs internally collapsing and or combusting without His fingers holding together that which He has made. i am infinitely grateful from this lesson though it is harsh, but yet i am terrified that it might happen again over the next few days. thanks for letting me vent and provide some awareness that this is not a simple discomfort but a full out feeling of disembowelment, and that there are some things you can do (walking interrupting your urine stream to let your bladder rest for a millisecond and get on anti spasm medicine) even if the doctors have no idea what is going on and instead of giving to pain medicine they bring you benedryl for the allergic reaction to the contrast they are still telling you is impossible to have an allergic reaction to or they leave the room with your pain meds and you have the spasm and they take what seems like an eternity to find and once they do they wont give it to you until you breathe even though all you can do is scream, i know next time to pray that i might pass out, if that request might be denied by the all purposeful loving God, then i will claw my face off with my bare hands, i wish all doctors and nurses could take us at our word, take us seriously, my doctor said i have been having “pain issues” and i didn’t get what he wasn’t implying until later and i should have answered him, “yes my pain threshold is lower than some but that does not make it any less real, or intense”
peter – fort wayne, indiana
I just came home from the hospital today after spending 4 days there recovering from my prostate surgery. My doctor explained that excruciating pain I am having is from bladder spasms, but is hesitant to prescribe medication for them since I was unable to pass gas after the operation which lead to quite a bit of pain. Here is what I was and still am experiencing: I start to get a flow of urine, but it kees going and going and going. It is very much like what you described. I had multiple spasms since coming home and am reduced to tears, wishing that something could end it and actually not too quietly screaming. Is there anything I can take or do? It comes on when I pass gas (I am scared what will happen when I have a real bowel movement), when I stand up after having been seated, or just as a notice a soft regular flow or seepage that then acts similar to the normal routine of urination. I need something. Thanks for any ideas. I could not have endured what you went through after your surgery. I am wearing a leg bag.
after 6 years of experience with the same symptoms I have only one thing to say……VESICARE!
Does this mean you are still having these? I am in my 6th day of recovery.